SU QLD chaplain invites John Mackay to school. Here’s what he thinks about gay people.

Comical Ali

Comical Ali

Scripture Union Queensland’s CEO Tim Mander went on Hope Christian radio’s breakfast show the other day and reiterated his crazy claim that the National School Chaplaincy program has widespread support. Left unchallenged by the simpering hosts he sang his now familiar refrain ‘Chaplaincy in the community is well accepted’ (to the tune of ‘Ted Haggard is Completely Heterosexual‘)

The real world, however, has different ideas. Another day, another disturbing case of misjudgment by those who want us to pay for them to minister to children. Another flood of outrage in the news sites’ comments. Increasingly, Tim Mander is looking like Comical Ali.

Today’s outrage was the decision by SU QLD chaplain John Donaldson to invite the young-earth evangelist crank John Mackay to Gympie State High School. As the school newsletter put it, Mackay would:

give a science presentation examining the evidence for the Biblical account of Creation and current Evolutionary teaching.

Here’s how the ABC saw it:

Having met and chatted to Mackay in person, I can attest that he is both batshit crazy and unbelievably unpleasant. But don’t take my word for it. Here is one excerpt from his homepage:


Dragons! Real dragons! And ancient paintings of dinosaurs! Crazy? Check.

Now check out this one:

Anders Behring Breivik liked something I don't!

Norwegian bomber is Darwinist! Unpleasant? Check.

John Mackay

I’m not quite sure I understand how that’s ‘ministry news’, nor how it is ‘creation research’, but the more I read of John Mackay, the more I’m relieved when I don’t understand something. Because the bits I do understand are deeply disturbing. Take, for instance, Mackay’s beliefs about gay people:

The Biblical position on homosexuality has long been known and is easy to understand.  It currently considered by the gay lobby as totally anathema, and the grounds for a lawsuit if it is quoted as applicable in today’s cultural climate.  We quote below from the New King James as its careful and explicit wording makes the Biblical position even more obvious.

In Leviticus 20:13 Moses recorded Gods instruction that “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”  No hint of ‘excuse me, God, it’s not my fault. I was born this way!’

In The New Testament the apostle Paul writes to the converted Greeks, where homosexuality had been an accepted way of life.  Paul is very upfront to the Corinthians, telling them that homosexuals and lesbians have no place in Kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 reads: “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”

Such teaching is a myth buster to the liberal claim that only the God of the Old Testament is harsh and unforgiving while the New Testament God is one of compassionate love.  If you ask which penalty is more serious? – Old Testament execution with time to repent, or New Testament eternal condemnation in the fires of Hell, it should be obvious.

Got that? Bloody execution is too lenient a punishment for gay sex.

So far, Scripture Union Queensland is standing by the foolish John Donaldson, and endorsing his decision to invite this scumbag to talk to children: “the chaplain was merely a facilitator”, they bleat.

I don’t think Scripture Union QLD are at all capable of judging of what their chaplains should be facilitating. Can they be trusted in schools?


  1. Paul
    Posted August 15, 2011 at 11:03 | Permalink

    But he says there’s “real powerful, “documentable”, defensible connection between the dragons of ancient times and the dinosaurs we know so well from fossils”.
    And the very truthful observation that Darwin’s work was “Kill or be killed”. It’s there in invisible ink on the cover of “Origins..”.
    Surely you can see teaching kids this breeds Breviks. Take the USA. They teach lots of creationism. And look at their schools!

  2. Gerry Tander
    Posted August 17, 2011 at 06:47 | Permalink

    With the High Court not interested in discussing the section 116 argument of Ron Williams that there is a breach of church and state through school chaplaincy, it would seem that the only argument is about where the funding should come from. Game, set and match to chaplaincy!

  3. Posted August 17, 2011 at 21:58 | Permalink

    Yeah, Gerry. And Fred Nile has never seen pornography.

  4. Posted August 18, 2011 at 00:45 | Permalink

    Gerry, it’s about the government entering into a contractual arrangement with Scripture Union more than any breach of church and state.
    Williams contends:

    - There’s no federal constitutional power through which the Commonwealth has, or can, make payments for school chaplaincy.
    - Chaplains are “officers of the Commonwealth”. So in employing them a religious test has been imposed in favour of Christian and other faiths able to provide a suitable chaplain. NSCP guidelines say applicants must meet “formal ordination, commissioning, recognised qualification or endorsement by a recognised or accepted religious institution or a state or territory-approved chaplaincy service”. *This* may be a breach of the constitution.
    - As you point out the wording of the parliamentary funding hankery pankery to appropriate bugs bunny is narrow and as such this yet another example of God’s appalling accounting skills that must not be backed by tax payer monies.

    I do like the tennis analogy.
    Jesus = Love.
    Satan = 40.
    Game, set and match.

  5. Posted September 8, 2011 at 18:43 | Permalink

    Being mainstream science I perhaps should jump up and down about Y.E.C. (WWW.CREATIONTHEORY.COM is mainstream) but having actually met John Mackay I can’t say he seems a bad sort although his ‘science’ is only worth hearing, for purposes of dismissal. Darwinism, meanwhile, is dead, kaput, finis. (See the above publication.) What the hang. In the last ten years, reported, presumably real, child abuse, bullying, homelessness, and all in its train, doubled in N.S.W. Going to blame that on Christianity? If you are interested in facts, you could skip on over to my site — but I rather suspect I have met J.W.’s who were less religiously convinced than some who claim no religion. Regards, P. Heywood.

  6. Posted September 8, 2011 at 20:04 | Permalink

    Hi Philip,

    Thanks for that. It’s hilarious.

    I particularly liked the animated GIFs, a feature of many mainstream science websites. My favourite is the one with the moon orbiting Earth once per day, which is clearly a much more mainstream phenomenon than most astronomers admit.

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